3:12-cv-01377-SI, in the U.S. District Court for the Northern District of California. I HAD A TUNE UP THE 1ST TIME , THE SECOND TIME AFTER MY OIL CHANGE THE VSA AND CHECK ENGINE LIGHT DISAPPEARED . 2023 Vehicle History Inc. All Rights Reserved. They will tell you that you need a timing belt. Please do so as soon as possible, as your safety may be at risk. Like are they really not going to pay to fix it even though there is a WHOLE lawsuit about it, and my car has every single symptom stated in the lawsuit?? My daughters car is currently at the dealership. thank you! Yesterday, I have my first symptom of a repeat of this. If you car is stuttering and running like crap they will not fix it unless it generates a code for misfiring. I received your claim for repairs for my 2009 Honda Odyssey Touring vehicle, however, i have not had any previous claims yet. My car is burning a quart every 500 miles. HOW DO I FIND IT BURNS EXCESS OIL? I dont really feel tight trying to sell car outright know the potential of whats about to go wrong . It turned out there were misfires on cylinders 5 and 6 and for some strange reason told me my car was going to have to stay over night because they need to do a second diagnostic. The piston rings on certain cylinders may rotate and align which can lead to spark plug fouling. You must contact the By Tom Torbjornsen. If theyre repairing other engines under warranty, its only fair to treat everybodys engine on a first come, first served basis . 20182019 Odyssey and 2019 Pilot and Passport. Having to closely monitor oil levels and add 2-3 quarts between oil changes. Forum contains unread posts I just barely understand what the piston rings do. REALLY TIRED OF IT . They said the warranty was 8 years from time of purchase and unlimited miles. If things have reached that point I dont understand why they just didnt source a new engine and be done with it. Purchased my 2008 Accord in 2012, had no probs with it until last Friday. I went about two weeks later to get a new battery and the guy at the local place (not the dealer) said that the oil was overfilled. Class Members do not need to take any action to obtain the warranty extension, which will cover repairs for the affected vehicles within eight years of the original purchase or lease date of the vehicle, with no mileage limitation. By clicking Accept, you consent to the use of ALL the cookies. The gap is what makes it possible to fit the spring over the mushroom. I am debating if I should take it to the dealer or my mechanic. This causes me anxiety on the road as I am a single white female62 years of age.Thank you. I have a 2010 Accord EX, 4-cyl, and had to learn about this as my car (bought at dealer 7 months ago Honda certified preowned) with 50K miles, started having oil light come on and funny noises and hesitations. For anyone having this issue it may be worth calling them to see if anything can be done even if the warranty extension has expired. I bought a 2011 Honda pilot used from a Honda dealer and was never informed of this issue- Is my Pilot still covered under the extended warranty under the settlement until 2019? Original owner had same problem since 2014. Fastest one I did was about 3.5 hours. We will see. I notice a after a thousand miles after a oil change it burnt a QT of oil and the gas mileage went from 25 mpg to 20 mpg. It sounds like they are doing a ring replacement instead of replacing the short block as others have stated has been done to repair their cars. Loyal Honda customer for over 20 years. The woman on the phone told my husband that we didnt have longevity as Honda owners for her to offer a goodwill coverage request for us to try and get it covered. Known issue 2009-2013 Honda Pilot that resulted in class action lawsuit. The dealership then performed the second part of the mandatory repair replacing the piston rings. The work being done for your Honda is a type of major engine repair. I replaced the spark plugs because there was a p30? How did you get Honda to cover part of the repair???? A misfire due to valve lash/burnt valve is not the same as a misfire due to plug fouling due to oil consumption past the piston rings. I take it back to the mechanic and he says its a misfire again. Please object to the settlement as it is feel-good wording. And then so did two more. as of summer 2013 vibration has gotten less (70-90% does vibrate every now and then only when cold, still very small vibration is felt at idle even when warm). My car does shudder a bit between 20 and 50 mph when it deactivates some of the cylinders. The VIN entered is invalid. I bought a 2007 Honda Fit; I have had to change the spark plugs so many times Ive lost count. Email me please at brandynchris2015@gmail.com, I just bought a 2007 Honda Accord 3.0 l and I keep getting check engine light and I put on scanner and it tells me cylinder 5 misfire I already changed coil pack and spark plugs I did not know anything about the lawsuits what am I suppose to do. Im disappointed I wasnt notified in advance that additional engine work would be needed to permanently fix this issue. Honda has recalled 2003 Honda Pilots to replace the airbag inflator. Took to Honda dealer and code returned issue with a misfire in cylinder #3 due to a piston ring failure. Thanks for any input. My mechanic told me eventually the engine will need to be replaced! since day one vibration @ idle when cod, 95% less when warmed. Honda not willing to do the same for a known issue in a 2014 version. They also diagnosed the car with misfires due to fouled spark plugs. Privacy Policy | We drove roughly 75,000 miles since those piston rings were replaced. They stated they would check the spark plugs and coil but they were backed up and would have to keep it over night and run a diagnostics again the next morning. The car is a 2011 and has around 70,000 miles. I have a 2008 Honda Accord V-6 EXL. I got it back last week and its already fouling out again. They have quoted me $6k to put in a used engine, which to me is stupid because there is no reason to believe that the used engine would not have the same issue. Isnt this illegal?? Purchased my 2009 Honda Accord in 2012 and just now experiencing an issue with my oil. I will say that I called the dealership numerous times (the service department and manager) and Honda care many times. It is all covered by Honda because this was a problem with several models. I have seen several complaints on this issue and my car is one of them now. They advised it was from the oil getting into the combustion chamber just like the V6s. I took it to get the codes read and said It was a cylinder misfire. I will be calling to find out how I can get my car covered for another 4 years. Even though its the same engine, same oil rings, Honda is refusing to repair it properly. Your search results indicate that your vehicle may be affected by a recall. Honda Automobile Customer Service Recall Line: (888) 234-2138 Monday-Friday: 6am-5pm PT Saturday: 7:30am-4pm PT For all other Honda Customer Service issues, please call: (800) 999-1009 toll free Monday-Friday: 6am-5pm PT National Highway Traffic Safety Administration Vehicle Safety Hotline (888) 327-4236 toll free safercar.gov I just want to ensure that if i donothing, that a warranty extension will automatically be in force, protecting my vehicle for a period of time. Anyone have luck getting one? But it helps having this input knowing this that they may have had to wait for Honda approval and parts for awhile. Theres 3 or 4 of these semi-circles all together, and the gaps in the rings must not align, otherwise the aligned gaps create a path for oil to leak past the set of 4 rings. Was told by that dealer, that after the first time, the dealership should have replaced rings on the pistons to prevent this from happening again. Just don't forget to push it again when you hit the highway. Ingenuity is key here. I owned a 2009 Honda Pilot EX-L and just recently experiences the problem while driving in constant speed around 60 and then the engine light went flashing. your claim status, claim form or questions about when payments are In respect of our relationship I am going to present this issue to the service manager today for his recommendation on my issue and find out how they are addressing the the many customers affected by Hondas product failure and the judgement. I am at 115, 000 and my check engine light hasnt come on and it seems to be running fine. My Accord gave codes for cylinder 1, 2, and 3 misfire. Im not leaking anything, but if I dont check the oil regularly, Im certain Im going to damage the engine. I would never recommend anyone to ever purchase or own any Honda vehicle!! Needless to say, Im not happy, and Im a loyal Honda owner (this is my 5th Honda, albeit the first one with a six cylinder engine). Every 4-6 weeks i have to pull the fouled plug in Cyl 1 and replace it. Photos: Honda Owner Reviews Write a Review J Rosingana on November 28, 2022 2011 Pilot using excessive amounts of oi Replacement of or failure related to any seal or gasket. Im having the same issue with my 2008 Honda Accord 4-cylinder. I bought a 2012 Odyssey in 2012 and did not know about this problem. I was not offered to a ring job to repair my car, which is what I believe the car needs to stop the excessive oil burning, but the spark plugs were changed. What fraud! I have a 4 cylinder 2010 Accord EX-L that is also burning oil, and I am getting the runaround from the local Honda dealership about getting it repaired. And a couple of weeks ago my engine came on flashing and traction light came on. UPDATE: A federal judge granted final approval to the Honda engine misfire class action settlement at the Final Fairness Hearing. There is nothing wrong with your car, just replace the plugs ( I am assuming you are having a misfire which is why it's at the dealer) and disable the VCM system and finally give it the Italian tune up. Car has been back to dealer 5 times and this morning the check engine light is back on. I understand from the dealer that, regardless of when I learned about the suit, theres nothing they could have done until I experienced a problem. The 2009-2013 Honda Pilot is the subject of two TSBs for the piston rings which may fail at roughly 72,000 miles or compromise spark plugs. It also has a grinding sound when I first cold start it after it sits for hours at a time. Honda has denied the allegations in the class action lawsuit. They were not forthcoming nor transparent with the litigation and existing issues, I discovered it on my own after much research and confronting them. I took it in to the Honda dealership earlier this week and they did a diagnostic. The #3 spark plug fouled again, having me limp (on what seemed like 2 cylinders) to a dealership while travelling. Question type: Maintenance & Repair. They (Boch Honda Norwood Ma) just told me i have massive interior engine damage. That can be time consuming. This can set DTCs P0301 through P0304 and cause the MIL to come on. This has not improved gas mileage after over 16k additional miles. The car runs perfect still. NOW ON MY THIRD STRIKE. I wasnt going for that crap, especially when I overheard the service manager talking about this defect two years ago. any obdii scanner can do this. Only thing I can do is drive it and trade/ sell it after the warranty. Corporate phone thanks. Hi. Repaired under warranty less than 1 year ago. I am done with Honda. Paid for spark plugs to be replaced and dont know how long that will last. I agree Im having problems with my 2010 crosstour. I spoke with Hondas customer relations office and the dealer. This website is not intended for viewing or usage by European Union citizens. I had my oil changed and 4 weeks later my car did not register any oil on the oil dip stick so this is effecting more then the V6 Honda Accords because mine is a 4 cylinder. The dealer wants me to pay for tear down as there is no compression in the cylinder#6. But was less than when they told me it was going to be $5300.00. Mark all read, Topic Icons: I didnt realize the class action required replacing the timing belt. Honda is saying that cylinder 6 is not covered under the lawsuit settlement. I think some of the hybrids do that to keep the battery charged. Before I could have the work performed, I noticed a loud noise coming from the engine so I added that to the list to be investigated. I reached out to Honda corporate and they are paying for some of the cost to repair it. DO NOT let them check it without you there. My 2011 Odyssey, in the last few months, has a misfire. Auto machine shops usually stay busy so having a cylinder head tied up for several weeks or more is not uncommon depending upon the workload. Honda Motor Co. has reached a class action settlement over claims that some of its vehicles excessively burned oil, causing engine misfiring and premature spark plug degradation. 2008 Accord E-XL 100K miles. Let me know your feelings, or at least let me know if your witness, same problem had it fix once a a honda dealer and it happen again what a piece of crap never buy another honda again ,, have a 2006 kia sedona with 300,000 miles on it not one problem at all with the engine it is never going to die like the crappy honda that i own ,, buy kia it is cheaper and a lot better car then the honda you pay for the honda name and have nothing but trouble. I have now had it in the shop twice due to this misfire recall. I decided to disable it as a 2007 Odyssey Touring - Silver, Depaxed | VCMTuner II, Seems like you are saying the same thing as. I went for the final test and before I went I took it to my local place and had them check it first. What can be done now? I took it to the Honda dealer and they replaced the spark plug and now they are telling me that there is a kit that has to be order and put in my car. Dealer said they can not fixed and recommend to buy new van. A 'cylinder" is shaped like a drinking glass, right. Same issue! to claim cash from in our If Honda USA is indeed covering the repair, it is reasonable to expect them to intercede on your behalf when the dealer is taking so long. My car has been in the dealer repair shop since July 16 (3 weeks today). It is 12 years old, and I have Taking care of it without fail. Please let me know if you have heard anything back. possibly the most discussed issue/topic on this forum. I want to know why only the V6 vehicles are included in this settlement and not the 4 cylinders? I feel like we should take out another claim/lawsuit with Honda since there are so many of us. http://settlement-claims.com/enginemisfire/, Rust Consulting I have garaged it at the same address since that day. Three Honda Dealerships told us there is a problem with the engine. And its under a tune up. 1st time replaced plugs, 2nd time was told it was a bad injector, this time they told me to take to Honda cause of the recall. If you get a check, let us know! Have switched to high mileage synthetic oil and filter. We should be able to be included in this lawsuit.Thank you. Ive taken my 2010 Accord EXL to the dealer at least 5 times for its rough idle and they keep telling me theres nothing wrong with it. I took it into the dealer and the mechanic quickly recognized it as an engine problem and bet me I was out of oil. I took it to the dealership and after a diagnostics they finally found a code, a cylinder misfire. change the spark plugs with some NGK iridium or ruthenuim plugs, pay someone or do it yourself. Yesterday, with my wife down in Florida, Cylinder 1 misfired (P301 code). When the engine is cold the check engine light would come on along with the VSA light, P0306 #6 cyl. I started off with one misfiring, replaced the coil, and now another is starting to misfire. The rings are known to rotate and align in a manner that degrades spark plugs and causes engine mIS Fires. 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